OTP 19 - Shiny Object Syndrome: Balancing Your Ideas and Business Goals

Shiny Object Syndrome

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:00:00]:

Do you suffer from shiny object syndrome, having too many ideas of things that you want to do, or always finding yourself planning the next best thing as an OT preneur. Maybe you're like me, you have trouble focusing on just one thing in your business and find yourself spread too thin on most days. If this sounds like you, today's episode is for you. We're gonna talk about how to navigate this as a business owner and, actually, how to use it in your favor. Are you thinking about starting an occupational therapy business Putt don't even know where to begin?

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:00:33]:

Whether you're starting something on the side or going full time in your business, the OTpreneur podcast is what you need.

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:00:40]:

This show will help you get in the right mindset and give you actionable tips to go from Putt an idea to OTpreneur. I'm Sarah Putt, and with me is my tech savvy cohost, the guy who always is in the know of the latest and greatest business software, Jason Davies. How are you, Jason?

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:01:01]:

I'm doing well. I'm also apparently the guy who needs a new camera right now because we got flashing going on. Doesn't matter how great of how much knowledge you have with tech. Tech will always go wrong on you at some point. It's great when it works. It is not when it doesn't. But otherwise, yeah. Flashy camera and all, I am doing fantastic.

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:01:21]:

How are you today, Sarah?

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:01:22]:

I am good. I'm glad to be recording, and I'm just laughing because I feel like tech tech is always gonna win in the end. Right? Like, regardless of how many times that we have recorded, regardless of how many times we have used a specific software, gosh, there is always something. There's always something going on. Jason couldn't even hear me for the first, like, 10 minutes that we were chatting today.

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:01:43]:

Yeah. And all we had to do was refresh. Like, that was it. It was as simple as hitting command r, and things worked again. You never know.

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:01:50]:

Alright. So today, we're let's just jump into OT. And we actually got a great question from someone in our OTpreneur community, and it came from Amy. And Amy had a question about, basically, about shiny I can't even say the topic OTA. About shiny object syndrome and having so many ideas and really not knowing how to focus or what to do about it. Right? Like, is is it okay to have a lot of ideas or how do I just pick 1? I I think even her question was there was a lot to there was a lot to it. So, yeah, we're just gonna jump in and kind of unpack how we go about this, what it is, and, yeah, really how to use it to our favor. I so relate to this question, Jason.

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:02:37]:

I feel like probably more often than not, I find myself in the depths of and I Putt, like, I honestly just realized that shiny object syndrome, the acronym is SOS. Like, I feel like that's that's really fitting as I was thinking about this upcoming week. That

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:02:52]:

is perfect.

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:02:53]:

Oh my gosh. Yes, it is. And yeah, I feel like I do it probably daily. I find myself kind of battling this and having a lot of different ideas. What do you where Sarah you at with this?

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:03:04]:

I'm trying to count how many times I've done it in the last 24 hours, and I don't think I can. I mean, while on a mastermind call this morning, we talked about, like, 3 different things that would be great for my business, but they would also lead me down a rabbit hole. So you know, like, have to bring myself back a little bit. And I got an email from someone this morning saying, hey, Jayson. Have you done this with Chat GPT yet? It would be great. It would be awesome for the OT SchoolHouse community. I'm like, yeah. It would be.

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:03:32]:

I should do that, but not now.

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:03:34]:

In all my free time. Yeah. Exactly. I mean, I think I even, like, came to you last week and, like, emailed you something. I'm like, I have this idea, and you were like, not now. Not not now. Let's let's not focus on it right now. And I honestly had already been thinking about it for probably, like, 5 hours at that point and, like, had already, like, come out with this outline to do OT.

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:03:51]:

And, you know, Jason had to kind of ruin me in and be like, hold up. That's not our focus at the moment.

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:03:56]:

Jason just dropped OTA freaking bomb on Sarah's idea.

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:03:59]:

No way.

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:04:00]:

I'm sorry, Sarah. But sometimes it's a good thing.

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:04:02]:

Yes.

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:04:03]:

Right? Like And

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:04:04]:

I think I had actually I I might have I don't know if I wrote it and then deleted it in the email or if I just thought it and didn't put it in the email. But I almost said like, this is a bad idea. Just tell me, like, be honest with me because that's just how my brain works. I get this idea and I get really excited about it. And I think like sometimes when we are kind of like deep in the weeds of business, like there's a lot of things that are just mundane or, you know, you're just kind of like going through the motions of things that you have to do. And quite frankly, like they can be kind of boring. Some of them, not, not all of them, but some of the things can be kind of boring. And so I think for me, that's where I kind of find myself thinking about other ideas, thinking about other projects, thinking about other things that I can be doing because I'm kind of bored with Putt the task I have in hand.

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:04:48]:

So my brain just wanders and I, you know, I find myself going down all these rabbit holes of ideas that maybe one day I'll do something with it. Maybe one day I won't, but I get really excited about it. And then I feel like I'm no longer bored with what I'm doing because I'm like thinking about something else that I could be doing, probably shouldn't be doing, but could be doing.

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:05:06]:

That's true. That's true. You know, I I I don't know where this came from, but I heard that actually planning a vacation during work time, like, releases just as much of the same, like, endorphins and all the energy that you actually get from actually going on a vacation. And I think that's kind of the same thing here. Right? Like, we get so excited, like, it's actually rewarding to us just to think about new ideas even if we never implement them. Like, the actual idea of implementing them is actually the non sexy part as we've we talked about it within our course even. Right? But having all the ideas, that's the fun part. That's the part that gets you, like, thinking about what if one day, man, what if this existed? What if I created this? It's it's fun, but it's also dangerous.

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:05:50]:

So, excited to talk about

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:05:52]:

it. So let's just kinda start with the definition Putt in case somebody's not familiar with what shiny object syndrome is, kind of a a loose definition in in the research that I was doing is that really OT is when somebody focuses all of their attention on something new and current OT the expense of whatever they have to be doing, whatever they're currently doing. So, you know, in business, this kind of like boils down to when you are chasing like the latest strategy, the latest tactic, the latest advice, or maybe the latest idea, right? Or, you know, kind of topic that you wanna be talking about. And you might find it maybe on social media or something like that that comes out and you're like, oh my gosh, I need to be doing something like that. So it really is focusing kind of stopping what you're doing currently OT what you have to be doing currently. And maybe even like focusing all of your attention or even pivoting, you know, into another direction when you still have lots of other things that you probably should be doing within your business. So, you know, shiny object just attracts your attention, and you're just drawn to OT, and you wanna just jump in and and make it happen. And then you're like, oh, wait.

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:06:59]:

But there's other stuff I should be doing too.

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:07:01]:

Yeah. Absolutely. And if I can just add to that, you know, shiny object syndrome, SOS, it can happen on multiple different fronts. Right? Like you could have shiny object syndrome within your own business in the sense that maybe whatever you that idea that you have, it would be great for your business, but right now is not the right time. Or it could be external to your business, but still be related to business in the sense of, like, a whole new business idea that could be the shiny object. It could also be completely personal. Right? Like, you could think I wanna go to vacation in Europe a week from now, and, like, that is another shi another example of shiny objects into them. So it's not necessarily confined to just within your business, just within your business life, within your current professional life even.

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:07:49]:

Right? Like, maybe a shiny object syndrome might be getting your OTD. Maybe a shiny object syndrome might be trying to move up into an administrative level. Like those are all things that at the end of the day would support you, but is it actually leading to your goal of whatever you wanna do? And if that's starting a business, well, maybe OTD does support that, maybe it doesn't. You need to weigh the pros and cons. Maybe going into administration would help your business one day. Maybe it's actually more of a way to prevent you from going into your business. So, yeah, there's so many different levels of shiny object syndrome, I think.

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:08:28]:

I'm glad you brought up, like, furthering your education, you know, the OTD or maybe if somebody doesn't have their masters or they don't, you know, they don't have that that next step within their education, educational career. I know for me, I have considered going back and getting my OTD 100 of times at this point. I always, like, I always have to stop myself and be like, wait, what's the purpose of this? Right. And what would it bring? You know, what kind of value would it add to my life? But also not only with kind of the education piece in terms of a degree, but also thinking about like certifications that you might need, especially when we're thinking about starting a business. I feel like a lot of people think, and I was the same way when I was first getting started, that I needed all of these other certifications behind my name. You know, I know we had talked about in a previous episode, going and getting your MBA. Right? Getting some sort of business credential, business education, anything like that. Like that, there's there's so many things that can kinda capture our attention, but might actually deter us from our goals.

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:09:32]:

So, Jason, I have to ask you about your one day list. Can you can you share a little bit about what this is and how it relates to this cache mini object syndrome that we're talking about?

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:09:44]:

Yeah. Yeah. You know, on my phone, I have a very quick, app that I just opened and it's it's actually just built into my Notion database, right? And it's just a quick, I click You know, sometimes they are ideas that I will implement tomorrow, but other times they're ideas that maybe I'll implement 5 years from now. And, you know, on that list, I can tell you that the OTPreneur was on that list for a long time. Like, this exact podcast, this exact business that we have started was on my one one day do list. Right? I have ideas for a nonprofit to market occupational therapy as a profession on there. I have ideas for starting an AI and occupational therapy podcast, starting a handwriting tutor clinic. Like, this is just my brain dump space which allows me to then not put energy within my brain toward that.

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:10:43]:

It's on my list, When I review that list in the future, I'll think about it for another 5 seconds, remember that it's on my list. I can always find it there again whenever I want to, but I don't have to think about it now because it's already there. It's funny though. Sometimes you go to add something to your one day to do list and then you realize it's already there. You're like, we're just there.

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:11:02]:

It's already there like 5 times. I

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:11:04]:

had this idea. And it's liberating because you're like, oh, I already processed this. Like, I already thought about this. I already came to a conclusion that I don't need to think about it right now. And I think that's important because, you know, things that are shiny, they they grab our attention. I'm thinking of the the Moana song shiny. Yeah. But, like, things just grab our attention, and we need a place to let them go.

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:11:31]:

And just let them live for a while and know that they'll be there when we want them, but maybe they're not for us right now.

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:11:39]:

I think that's really one of the most important things to bring up right now is really, like, it's okay to have all these ideas. Right? And and in business, it's probably a really beneficial skill to have that you are, you know, that you're kind of that forward thinker. You're always trying to kind of come up with something to either help your business, help your business stand out, maybe change your business, add to your business, different things that you can implement. Right? So I think having a lot of these ideas is it's a really good skill to have, and I think a lot of us OTPreneur and OT practitioners that want to become OTpreneurs, we we we have we have these skills Putt we we do come up with a lot of ideas. But, again, if not used correctly, it can really help us not get to where we want to be within our business. And I know for me, I always have I always have these, the shiny ideas OT, like, the most inopportune times. It's times that I Mhmm. Don't have time to think about it.

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:12:37]:

I don't have time to even, like, write it down. I need to be going to bed. That's that's a big one. Like I always get these ideas, like right as I'm trying to fall asleep. And then I spend 2 hours brainstorming this idea in my head when when I should have been sleeping. And I'm like, wait, why am I doing this? And so I kind of have something similar where I just have like a note, like, list on my phone that I can literally just open it up OT yeah. Sometimes I'll just pull up the reminder. Sometimes I'll pull up my, like, alarm clock.

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:13:06]:

Right? And I will just set it for the next day at a time that is better for me to be thinking about these things OT that, you know, I'll have time to write it down. So then I don't sit and stew on this idea because I don't wanna forget it. And, like, you know, going to bed OT, like, when I'm in the shower or when I'm driving, it's always these times where I'm, like, I don't I don't have, like, the capacity to just stop and, like, write things down. And that's when I'm finding Yeah. My I'm gonna call them brilliant ideas actually come into play.

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:13:32]:

Yeah. And and Siri or whatever your Android Siri version is is is great for that. Right? Like, you can just say, hey, Siri. Remind me tomorrow at 10 AM to think about this. And now my phone's probably gonna go off on me tomorrow at 10 AM. But, you know, it's it's simple things like that that allow you to just get your brain off of that activity, put it for a better time so that you can focus on whatever your business goal is in the moment right now. And and I think that's kind of the next part of this discussion here is trying to figure out, okay, well, you do have all these different shiny objects, but how do you determine which ones to potentially go forward with? Yeah. Sarah, you wanna you wanna kinda mention, or you kinda wanna share a little bit about how you go from potential idea to maybe this is a right idea OT maybe this is something I really need to put off, No.

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:14:29]:

Not think about it today, tomorrow, maybe 2 years from now?

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:14:33]:

I think the first thing that even before you get all these ideas, like, you really have to sit down and make a list of your goals for your business. Right? And really be clear on the why of your business and what you hope to accomplish within 6 months, within a year, and really kind of the direction that your business is going. And once you kind of have that kind of clear idea and the clear goals of the direction that OT this moment, that's where you want to be going. Of course, down the road, it could change. But right now, really where you want that to go, then, you know, once you've kind of brainstorm OT when you get these ideas that pop in and, you know, you're able to filter them to a list, and then maybe when you have time to go back to that list, it's almost like a compare and contrast of, okay, here are the goals. This is what I want to be doing in my business. Here are some of these ideas that I had. Are any of these feasible to help me reach that goal? Or are all these so different? Or, you know, will will they potentially hinder me in reaching those goals? So it really is becoming so clear on what it is that you want to be doing in your business.

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:15:40]:

And then, so when you get that idea, you can say, Hey, this is a great idea, but this is not going to help me get from point a to point b on that goal that I have written down. I'm going to save that idea for later. Or, Hey, this is actually a really good idea, and this is going to help me in that direction. So really figuring OT, is it going to help or hinder? If it's hindering, let it be. It's on your list. You're not going to forget about it, but really focusing on the things that are gonna help you in your business and help you accomplish your goals in your business. Those are the ones that you wanna be focusing on.

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:16:12]:

Yeah. And while you're speaking, I I just had a few things that come came to my mind. Missions, a lot of businesses or a lot of individuals even like come up with their own internal mission statement or even a public facing mission statement and ask yourself, does it fit my mission? Is it lining up with my ultimate goal? Another thing to ask yourself is, does it line up with my audience's goal? Does it line up with what my clients need, or is it not necessarily something with my clients need? And if you're not sure, ask your client. Like, ask your client, hey, would you want me to offer this? Would you want to buy this if I offered it? Davies this make any sense to for you, or am I just you know, is it not something that would help you? You can ask them that. The other thing that I was kinda thinking about too is that it can be, I've used this word already a few times, I think, liberating if you kind of have a set time to go back and look at these. So, you know, I kind of talked about, hey, saying, hey, Sarah, whatever, remind me tomorrow. But maybe you have one set day a month that you are willing to look at these ideas. Or maybe it's 1 maybe it's the 1st day of every quarter.

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:17:20]:

Right? Like, a lot of times, business owners, we like to sit down March 1st, July 1st, so on and so forth, and kind of plan out a little bit. And maybe you just default to saying, hey, Sarah, remind me on the 1st day of the quarter or next quarter. I think it would probably be able to figure that out to consider this idea. So, yeah, I think, I don't know, those are just a few things that really came to my mind about how to kinda let go of those things and or to test them a little bit. Because at the end of the day, our mission, our goal for our business is really what needs to to keep us on track. And if your goal is to support clients in a private practitioner, individual care setting, and you have ideas about creating a course online, well, are they overlapping? Are they not? Is that course going to support your clients? If it does, okay, well, maybe it's worth looking into, but if it's a whole nother venture and you're still trying to get your first 10 clients, then it may not be worth that time right now. But the

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:18:24]:

other thing I was gonna mention too is I've heard this with some of, like, the bigger, like, tech companies, and I don't know specifically if it's, like, once a week or once a month. I don't know what the frequency is, but I've actually heard that they will allow, like, a half a day or OT a full day where the employees can, like, sit down and just be creative and come up with ideas and think about things

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:18:44]:

Yep.

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:18:45]:

That they would like to do within within the business OT, you know, different products, different software or whatever it is. And I believe, and I can't remember exactly which ones it was, but I believe some of the well known things that we use today have actually come out of those brainstorming sessions by just allowing creativity, allowing that time. Right? I think it's figuring out that time to come back and think about these things. So it doesn't derail us when we need to be accomplishing other things. We have already set aside that time. It's it's in our calendar, it's in our schedule, and it's not going to keep us from doing everything else that we need to get done. So I think bottom line, that's the big thing. We need to do what we need to do and not focus on other things right at that moment that we shouldn't be.

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:19:29]:

Yeah. I I think Google is really well known for that. They it's a 20% rule, basically. They they allow their employees 20%, which is one day a week to kind of focus on these other projects that aren't necessarily ongoing things at Google, but sometimes they have turned into legit Google features. To be honest, there it's not just big tech companies. I allow myself about 20% to focus on OTPreneur. Right? Like 80% of my week is OT Schoolhouse, 20% of my week about is OTpreneur. I also have talked to faculty within education, OTs in fact, that work in higher education and similar type of thing, Right? They're given 80% or maybe even 60%, 3 days a week, where they have to, they have to teach, they have to do things revolving teaching, but then they have an extra day or 2 to kind of do the extra stuff.

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:20:25]:

Right? The stuff that might actually grow the university in some way by outreach, by starting a clinic, by getting out into the community to do something, by going and working as an actual occupational therapist, like in the real OT world because that's going to impact their ability to teach. So it's not just the tech companies, and I think it can also be good for you. It's giving yourself some boundaries and and telling yourself, hey, it's okay for me to spend Fridays working on this project because I have set that aside. If you set it aside, you won't feel bad about doing it. However, if you don't set it aside, then you might actually feel bad. You might say, oh, I'm all I can think about is work, but I should be focusing on my 2 year old. Like, that happens to me sometimes, and that's why I've set boundaries. I used to work a lot at night.

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:21:13]:

Now my day is from about 9 AM when my kid goes to daycare or when, my health gets here to about 4:30 because that's when he needs to be picked up. And I try to limit myself. Do those thoughts still creep into your head? Of course, they do. But it can be a little a little liberating and, yeah, it can just be liberating to give yourself some of these boundaries. It's like to say, it's okay to have those ideas right now, and maybe you can squeeze them into those boundaries when they're when they are trying to force their way outside of those boundaries.

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:21:48]:

Yeah. I mean, I think bottom line, it really is recognizing that having a lot of ideas isn't necessarily bad. Right? I think some people get a little overwhelmed that it's like, Oh, I have all these ideas. What am I supposed to do? It's great. Right? But now you have the idea, and now it's really figuring out, does it line up with my business goals? Does it line up with what I want? Does it line up with what my audience could potentially want? And is it going to help or hinder my progress in reaching those goals? And so it's really just coming to terms with, Hey, I have these ideas. Let's allow the time when it's appropriate, but let's also not let it deter us or keep us from reaching those goals when we've set them and when we're actually kind of currently working on them. Because I feel like a lot of these, a lot of the ideas that we've been talking about are things that are actually going to take a lot of time, Right? They could take weeks, months, they could even take years in order to actually kind of come to fruition. And so just making sure that you're, you're clear on your goals and then you're clear on will this help or hinder that, that direction of that goal for my business and really understanding that.

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:22:59]:

Is there anything else that you wanna say when we're kinda talking about shiny object syndrome and navigating lots of ideas and, you know, how this all kind of plays a role as being a business owner and an OT OTPreneur.

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:23:11]:

Yeah. I just wanna talk directly to Amy. Like, Amy, we've connected a little bit in the community, and I know you have several ideas. I think it's really the concept of trying to narrow that down and and what is most, you know, what gets you most excited and also what has the most potential as a business? Because some of the things that excite us are not necessarily the greatest business ventures, and they make great hobbies, but they're not necessarily the best business venture. And so if you want to focus on the businesses is find the medium happiness that is both what you're excited about and what can be a business and run with that. Everything else can be put on that to do one day list. And hopefully, you know, your business just becomes a radiant success and you have additional time because employees or other ways you're bringing an income, and then you can spend that other time doing the other things on your list. But, for now, I would put all of your energy into getting that business started.

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:24:13]:

Maybe you can pick one of those other things and put 4 or 5 hours a week to OT, but just know that those 4 or 5 hours are time coming out of your business time Putt. So find what you really want to focus on, focus on all of that, and do that as fast, as most efficient, as best as you can so that one day you do have the time and the energy for those other things on your list.

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:24:39]:

That really just highlights the big thing, and I'm just going to reiterate it. Pick the one thing that lights you up, right, as a business owner, as a practitioner. Pick that thing that's going to get you out of bed in the morning and focus your energy on that. And I think, you know, Jason, both you and I, we've been in business for years at this point, and so we've kind of gone through the beginning building stages of OT, and then realizing, like, oh, now that I have all these systems in place, now that I understand could then use in order to focus on some of these other ideas or, you know, the themes or topics or anything like that. And so understanding that, yes, maybe right now isn't the best time, but that doesn't mean it's not ever gonna happen. It's just focusing on what needs to be done now to help you to get to where you wanna be later. And then hopefully, at some point, you will get a little bit more time, or you can set aside time or anything like that to pull in some of these these ideas. So using it as a tool to fuel you to fuel you forward and not derail you from where you need to be.

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:25:53]:

To everyone listening, if you're mad that the OTpreneur wasn't around when you first started your business, I will take full blame for that because literally OTpreneur sat on my one day do list for about 2 years, before we did anything. I did actually purchase the URL for OTPreneur because I was so passionate about OT, about maybe 6 months or a year after I put it on my to do list, but it still wasn't another year or so before, you know, Sarah and I got in contact together and decided to do this. And so that's just that's just the thing, the way things work. Right? It's not a no, I'm not going to do this. It's a not yet, I'm not going to do this. And hopefully, one day, I will be in the position where I can do this. So, yeah, OTpreneurs, you know, keep on keeping on. Find your light.

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:26:42]:

Find that thing that brings you energy that is also going to support you and your family as a business, and just run toward OT. And put those other things to the side for now. Not not the never list, the the one day list.

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:26:54]:

I love it. I love it. Alright. So in today's episode, we talked a lot about shiny object syndrome, and really how it can both help and hinder us in our business. I think we both agree that it's an important skill to have as it really can help us kind of propel our business forward with new ideas, help us as a business as a whole, but also it can definitely get in the way of us getting things done that we need to be focusing on right now. And so don't be afraid to have a lot of ideas, but use them wisely. Keep track of them. Start your one day list.

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:27:27]:

I love that, Jason. I think that's a great tip to have. Have those ideas. Focus on them when you can, and use it to your benefit. You use it to push yourself, push your business forward, and don't let it stand in the way of everything that you have to get done in the, maybe you don't wanna get done at this moment. So thanks again for tuning into this episode, and we will catch you in the next episode and over@otpreneur.com. And one more thing, big shout out to the OTpreneurs in the OTpreneur startup course right now. You know who you are, and you are all doing such amazing work.

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:28:02]:

So Putt wanted to give a shout out to you guys.

Jayson Davies, MA, OTR/L [00:28:04]:

Thanks again, Amy. We'll see you back in the community.

Sarah Putt, MA, OTR/L [00:28:10]:

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